Periodically, I weigh in on the validity of the reviews in TripAdvisor (www.tripadvisor.com) and other user-generated sites, expressing grave doubts about the usefulness of those heavily-popular services. Instantly, various defenders of TripAdvisor, Yelp (www.yelp.com) and the like post responses, claiming that my doubts are without merit, that I fail to grasp how honest the overwhelming majority of the reviews they contain are.
I am amazed at the naivete of the defenders of these sites. Do they really think that the world's hotels and public relations agencies all remain silent in the face of the influence that the user-generated services have attained?
Given the influence of TripAdvisor, what would you do if you were the owner of a hotel? Would you simply wait to be rated by various amateurs, and let the chips fall where they may? Or would you ask as many relatives, friends, and employees as you could corral to send in approving reviews to TripAdvisor?
If you were the owner of a hotel, and someone posted a strongly negative review of your property, would you simply stand by in silence? Or would you have dozens of acquaintances post positive reviews of the hotel in order to counter the negative ones?
Anyone who has recently spent a moment talking with the owners or executives of hotels, will confirm that many of them are actively posting reviews on TripAdvisor and similar sites. The same with public relations personnel. They will tell you of training sessions in which PR personnel are taught how to generate a flood of seemingly impartial reviews favoring their clients.
The same cynicism applies to claims by executives of TripAdvisor that they vet the reviews appearing on their site, weeding out the dishonest ones. They actually say this with a straight face. They apparently feel the rest of us are so simple-minded that we would accept such outlandish claims. Here you have sites that periodically post thousands of reviews, and the claim is made that employees -- presumably hundreds, for that's how many would be needed for the task -- go over each posting and research the validity of each.
How? With what tools? With what magic procedures? What evidence could such inspectors possibly possess to weed out the honest reviews from the contrived ones? This flies in the face of the obvious impracticality of doing what they claim.
People who don't see the serious flaws with sites like tripadvisor are indeed foolish. However, one must still ask why such sites enjoy immense popularity. One possibility is that almost everyone is stupid, but I prefer to think better of people. Another possibility is that, as hard as it is to glean useful information from tripadvisor reviews, it's often better than the alternatives.
What is the alternative in finding out whether a hotel is a good one? I must say that I looked up a hotel, found mixed reviews, and chose it anyway--and the reviews were more or less accurate in both the positive and negative comments.
Whilst I appreciate the healthy sense of scepticism that the writer brings to the subject, I have the feeling that a similar negative attitude would be brought to a review of Twitter, like a friend who asked me how I know Lance Armstrong is REALLY Lance Armstrong on Twitter. When asked that question, I basically was lost for an answer, as that friend just didn't get social media, he was on one side of the divide and I on the other.
Now, as to TripAdvisor, I am a hotelier whose property has literally hundreds of reviews on the site, and it has never occurred to me EVER to "stack" reviews, I really do just take them as they come. Of course it helps that checking my hotel's TripAdvisor page is often the highlight of my day as we do get great reviews almost all the time.
What do I do when we get the occasional negative review ? Well, if I have something of value to all readers to reply to on a substantive and objectively noted point I will give an appropriate management response. However, if it is a subjective response, I tend to decline to respond, as I think most readers of UGC reviews can act like Olympic diving competition judges... you know.. discarding the top and bottom scores :)
Back to "getting" social media. If one is immersed in it (and I am, go call me the "geeky hotelier" if you will), then you take the rough with the smooth, but, apart from the ethics of it, you recognise that people will very quickly see through any attempt to influence reviews and so ratings... just wouldn't occur to social media people to try to "work the system".
Another thought... we truly try to run our resort based on guest feedback, and we love TripAdvisor for that... whether it be to commend staff for getting a "shout out" from a guest review, or in taking guest criticism to heart in making continual improvements.
Can you tell I am a fan of TripAdvisor... for all its flaws and imperfections ? :)
User generated reviews are here to stay. They are no more or less valid than asking a friend about a place they visited.
For any property, there were be a range of responses from overly good or needlessly bad. The totality of all the reviews will form a bell shaped curve. The goal is to figure out what the mean is.
When I look at reviews I know to toss out the highs and the lows and look for consistent themes. This is just part of the education of using sites like TripAdvisor.
Many of the sites I use have reviews which have been left within a week of my booking a hotel, which can provide timeliness impossible in guidebooks. If they are undergoing construction, you will mostly likely learn about it from an online review site.
I am typing this in a hotel in Amsterdam. Looking at TripAdvisor, there are 75 reviews. I don't think all 75 were put there by PR agencies. Many clearly are from travelers who have left many other hotels where they have stayed.
Sites like TripAdvisor do need to work on their algorithm, just like Google does with how they do search. They need to work on weeding out fake reviewers, weighing reviews, etc. Those are improvement, however, not deal breakers.
While there are obvious flaws in the system of user generated reviews, there are flaws with "experts" doing reviews as well. I'm not sure why an "expert" is any more qualified to say what is good or bad than a frequent traveler is. Staying in a hotel is not rocket science.
One other thought...review on online travel agent sites (eg Expedia...shared ownership with TripAdvisor...stick that in the back of your mind) have ways to confirm that the guest actually stayed at the hotel (eg by simply validating against their reservation number), so that almost completely removes any doubt on validity of review... so, now cast your mind back again... I wonder why the likes of Expedia don't make a bigger deal about how authentic their reviews are compared to Tripadvisor...ah, question answers itself :)
I have often wondered about sites like TripAdvisor and have never used one to locate a hotel or even chose a destination for a trip.
When reading anything, anywhere - in print or on the web you must maintain a healthy skepticism. Whether is it a news item, a travel recommendation or a blog comment. Truly objective opinions are like hen's teeth. Some publications are paid to hide their bias and others are said to minimize theirs but all have points of view and biases. I certainly have a bias, as does Mr Frommer. What I seek is an informed transparent bias. A point of view that I at least value and perhaps share.
Let's put it this way; I'd be hesitant to take the advice of a good friend on hotel recommendations given I know his and my tastes differ. I would go to another friend with tastes more similar to my own and someone I trust. Why would I take the recommendation of someone completely unknown to me with no verifiable credentials via TripAdvisor?
The reason these sites enjoy popularity is that people love to hear themselves write. (Yes I am aware of the irony of posting this in a comments section of a blog). People love to share their travel experiences and this allows them do so and gives them a sense of power especially when they feel wronged
Even without the problem of Hotels PR spinning on the reviews I have long thought user-generated referral sites were of limited value.
To paraphrase the bible - we are to seek wise counsel.
You are completely mistaken as to why some people defend Tripadvisor. You don't seem to understand at all.
I use Tripadvisor because it has helped me find wonderful lodging at low prices. I've found some great gems this way. I stay in hotels about 12-15 times a year - not that much, granted. I've never been mislead by a careful reading of tripadvisor reviews yet. That does not mean I won't in the future. But overall, Tripadvisor has been tremendously valuable to me as a business and leisure traveler looking for great places to stay without having to spend a fortune. One place I've found this way include the Park Hotel Tokyo - fantastic boutique hotel in a great part of the city - I never ever would have found it without Tripadvisor. I've stayed there several times since and now won't stay anywhere else in Tokyo (given my budget). Another great place was Denali Lakeside Lodging in Alaska. We wanted to quiet, homey place close to Denali but far from the crowds. We looked and looked, and settled on this based in part on Tripadvisor reviews. It was fantastic and the price was so much lower than other places. I just booked another place in New Zealand - I found it through Tripadvisor - and will be staying there next week. My guess is that it will also be great for a great price. (I don't want to say what it is until I've stayed there.)
Indeed, you have to use Tripadvisor carefully. Look at the reviews. If there are glowing reviews punctuated by reviews saying that the place was a hell hole, you know that either 1) it's a great place and the competition is dinging it or 2) it's a sucky place and the owners are placing fake ads. In that case, I stay away. So perhaps I'm missing out on a great place. That's OK - with my limited travel dollars, I don't want to risk an awful experience.
Another thing I do is look at reviews on other sites - such as expedia, etc. These also help you get a sense of what the hotel is really like.
So please recognize that at least some people are NOT saying "Oh hotel owners are far too honest to place fake reviews" -- rather we are saying "A careful use of tripadvisor has consistently led me to great places for a great price." What more can someone ask?
Well, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Tripadvisor reviews can't be used uncritically, of course, but on every occasion I've used tripadvisor to select a hotel, it's turned out that the reviews overall were accurate. And like others I've sometimes found excellent hotels at low cost on that site.
I've also out of curiosity checked tripadvisor reviews of hotels I know well, and in every case, while some individual reviews may be unfairly good or bad, the overall impression given by the reviews has always matched my own experience.
And usually reviews posted by owners trying to game the system are pathetically obvious.
And one thing I don't think anyone has mentioned about tripadvisor is that the traveler photos are extremely useful. A picture of a beautiful view from the room taken by a satisfied customer, or of a dirty, run down bathroom taken by a dissatisfied one, is pretty conclusive. Do established guidebook sites or "professional" sites like oyster ever give unflattering photos of establishments, even if conditions exist which would justify them?
It always amazes me that Frommer on the one hand praises the democratization of travel with the downfall of Clear, but on the other hand believe that only the professionals can write reviews. I fail to see how to reconcile these two opinions. Tripadvisor is perhaps the most democratic site available, complete with all the excesses that democracy can bring. However, the only possible motive for this contradiction is the support of paid reviewers or "professional" reviews of which Frommer is a leader in the industry, and should be praised for the work that he has done for these many years. Both independent, popular reviews and professional reviews have there place in the travel universe. Both provide useful, sometimes biased, sometimes without criteria explicitly stated, sometimes contradictory information that all serves to inform the public. Arthur please continue your good work, but please recognize the role that the non-professional, the citizen-reviewer has in travel.
Now, as to TripAdvisor, I am a hotelier whose property has literally hundreds of reviews on the site, and it has never occurred to me EVER to "stack" reviews, I really do just take them as they come. Of course it helps that checking my hotel's TripAdvisor page is often the highlight of my day as we do get great reviews almost all the time.
What do I do when we get the occasional negative review ? Well, if I have something of value to all readers to reply to on a substantive and objectively noted point I will give an appropriate management response. However, if it is a subjective response, I tend to decline to respond, as I think most readers of UGC reviews can act like Olympic diving competition judges... you know.. discarding the top and bottom scores :)
Back to "getting" social media. If one is immersed in it (and I am, go call me the "geeky hotelier" if you will), then you take the rough with the smooth, but, apart from the ethics of it, you recognise that people will very quickly see through any attempt to influence reviews and so ratings... just wouldn't occur to social media people to try to "work the system".
Another thought... we truly try to run our resort based on guest feedback, and we love TripAdvisor for that... whether it be to commend staff for getting a "shout out" from a guest review, or in taking guest criticism to heart in making continual improvements.
Can you tell I am a fan of TripAdvisor... for all its flaws and imperfections ? :)
For any property, there were be a range of responses from overly good or needlessly bad. The totality of all the reviews will form a bell shaped curve. The goal is to figure out what the mean is.
When I look at reviews I know to toss out the highs and the lows and look for consistent themes. This is just part of the education of using sites like TripAdvisor.
Many of the sites I use have reviews which have been left within a week of my booking a hotel, which can provide timeliness impossible in guidebooks. If they are undergoing construction, you will mostly likely learn about it from an online review site.
I am typing this in a hotel in Amsterdam. Looking at TripAdvisor, there are 75 reviews. I don't think all 75 were put there by PR agencies. Many clearly are from travelers who have left many other hotels where they have stayed.
Sites like TripAdvisor do need to work on their algorithm, just like Google does with how they do search. They need to work on weeding out fake reviewers, weighing reviews, etc. Those are improvement, however, not deal breakers.
While there are obvious flaws in the system of user generated reviews, there are flaws with "experts" doing reviews as well. I'm not sure why an "expert" is any more qualified to say what is good or bad than a frequent traveler is. Staying in a hotel is not rocket science.
When reading anything, anywhere - in print or on the web you must maintain a healthy skepticism. Whether is it a news item, a travel recommendation or a blog comment. Truly objective opinions are like hen's teeth. Some publications are paid to hide their bias and others are said to minimize theirs but all have points of view and biases. I certainly have a bias, as does Mr Frommer. What I seek is an informed transparent bias. A point of view that I at least value and perhaps share.
Let's put it this way; I'd be hesitant to take the advice of a good friend on hotel recommendations given I know his and my tastes differ. I would go to another friend with tastes more similar to my own and someone I trust. Why would I take the recommendation of someone completely unknown to me with no verifiable credentials via TripAdvisor?
The reason these sites enjoy popularity is that people love to hear themselves write. (Yes I am aware of the irony of posting this in a comments section of a blog). People love to share their travel experiences and this allows them do so and gives them a sense of power especially when they feel wronged
Even without the problem of Hotels PR spinning on the reviews I have long thought user-generated referral sites were of limited value.
To paraphrase the bible - we are to seek wise counsel.
I use Tripadvisor because it has helped me find wonderful lodging at low prices. I've found some great gems this way. I stay in hotels about 12-15 times a year - not that much, granted. I've never been mislead by a careful reading of tripadvisor reviews yet. That does not mean I won't in the future. But overall, Tripadvisor has been tremendously valuable to me as a business and leisure traveler looking for great places to stay without having to spend a fortune. One place I've found this way include the Park Hotel Tokyo - fantastic boutique hotel in a great part of the city - I never ever would have found it without Tripadvisor. I've stayed there several times since and now won't stay anywhere else in Tokyo (given my budget). Another great place was Denali Lakeside Lodging in Alaska. We wanted to quiet, homey place close to Denali but far from the crowds. We looked and looked, and settled on this based in part on Tripadvisor reviews. It was fantastic and the price was so much lower than other places. I just booked another place in New Zealand - I found it through Tripadvisor - and will be staying there next week. My guess is that it will also be great for a great price. (I don't want to say what it is until I've stayed there.)
Indeed, you have to use Tripadvisor carefully. Look at the reviews. If there are glowing reviews punctuated by reviews saying that the place was a hell hole, you know that either 1) it's a great place and the competition is dinging it or 2) it's a sucky place and the owners are placing fake ads. In that case, I stay away. So perhaps I'm missing out on a great place. That's OK - with my limited travel dollars, I don't want to risk an awful experience.
Another thing I do is look at reviews on other sites - such as expedia, etc. These also help you get a sense of what the hotel is really like.
So please recognize that at least some people are NOT saying "Oh hotel owners are far too honest to place fake reviews" -- rather we are saying "A careful use of tripadvisor has consistently led me to great places for a great price." What more can someone ask?
I've also out of curiosity checked tripadvisor reviews of hotels I know well, and in every case, while some individual reviews may be unfairly good or bad, the overall impression given by the reviews has always matched my own experience.
And usually reviews posted by owners trying to game the system are pathetically obvious.