TripAdvisor has reasonable cause to believe that either this property or individuals associated with the property may have attempted to manipulate our popularity index by interfering with the unbiased nature of our reviews. Please take this into consideration when researching your travel plans.
So does this mean that TripAdvisor is now helpful to use? The exact opposite, says BoH, citing a colleague's statement: "On the one hand, at least TripAdvisor is addressing this, but on the other hand they're basically admitting that their site is worthless!"
The harsh critique goes on:
This doesn't address the likelihood that a huge percentage of all their reviews are [less than impartial]. Perhaps the warning is a start but I question if they would post one if the hotel was one of their advertisers... Finding the truth about others' hotel experiences... has now become impossible. I consider myself reasonably astute at this, and there is just no way for me to make good use of these reviews any longer.
If I may add my own two cents, based solely on the logic of the situation. Why wouldn't a hotel submit a flurry of positive comments penned by employees or friends? If you were a hotel owner, wouldn't you take steps to make sure that TripAdvisor contained numerous favorable write-ups of your property? Who would fail to do this? And because of such inescapable logic, doesn't TripAdvisor contain within itself the germs of its own undoing?
"Why wouldn't a hotel submit a flurry of positive comments penned by employees or friends?"
One word. Trust.
If I found out a hotel was trying to game a reputation system what does that say about the hotel or it's staff?
TripAdvisor now needs to figure out how to build a web of trust for members submitting reviews. So far the reviews I've used have been helpful, but it only takes one bad experience to tarnish their reputation with me.
Glad to see it. Fundamentally, isn't it almost impossible for an internet site to verify the accuracy of every post it receives? Some obvious things can be checked, like repeated posts from the same IP address. Beyond that, how can a site confirm that a post is actually from a recent traveller?
I am very disheartened to read that some people are falsifying vacation reports. After taking a memorable trip, I always post on both TripAdvisor and Frommers in hopes of helping others like myself make good decisions about their travel planning. I hope that others like me will continue their postings so that we can attempt to provide meaningful info to folks like us just looking for honest reporting. Jan D.
I have used Trip Advisor for years and found it to be pretty reliable. You have to look at the bulk of the posts and see what's up. If a place is truly bad, but the owners are having friends post positive reviews, then the actual people who do stay there will post WTF reviews. I found some of the best hotels ever using Trip Advisor, such as Park Hotel Tokyo and Denali's Lakeside Lodge. I always post after I stay someplace also. So here's a vote for the utility of Trip Advisor from someone who has used it for years.
Any evidence that businesses are paying guests or giving them discounts in return for glowing online reviews? TA isn't the only review site with this problem.
Royal Caribbean Cruises Has Web 2.0 Viral Infection
No surprise here: Royal Caribbean Cruise Line has a viral infection. For once, however, it's not the Norovirus but that new-fangled byproduct of Web 2.0, the viral marketing infiltration. According to Consumerist, a group of fifty "Royal Champions" was outed by their own creator, the Customer Insight Group, as being a successful project whereby frequent positive cruise commenting on sites such as CruiseCritic was rewarded with free cruises and other perks. So what's the big deal? Well, it seems that the "Royal Champions" weren't always up front about their status as compensated reviewers, effectively misleading readers of CruiseCritic forums with their positive comments. Add to this the fact that CruiseCritic admins assisted Royal Caribbean in choosing the fifty, with one of the stipulations being quantity of posts, "with many having over 10,000 message board posts on various Royal Caribbean topics." From here, the hole just gets deeper. Now that many RC fans feel slighted at not having made the ranks and most everyone else is disgusted at the covert trade of cruising for happy juicing, the trustworthiness of such forums is under fire. Due to CruiseCritic's ownership by TripAdvisor, which is in turn under the Expedia blanket of travel sites, a viral marketing stunt gone awry could possibly continue to negatively ripple. Does news like this affect your ability to trust good reviews on travel sites, or do you already consider yourself an excellent shill-spotter enough to weed out the solicited from the unsolicited? While this whole ordeal is mired in serious muckety-muck, let's hope it serves as a lesson for future viral marketers and as an argument for transparency.
Almost ANY online travel site is subject to this type of faked postings, including the Frommers.com "community." But it really isn't that difficult to ferret out the fakers. One way: check to see what other postings the "traveler" has put online. If they are just commenting on one hotel, or have no past history of posting, or have never asked a question on the site, then suspect a fake.
Not to sound ethnocentric, but if the posting is about an overseas hotel and the wording/phrasing reads like it was written by a non-native English speaker, then you might also want to take a second look. This isn't an absolute.
One other clue: rhetorical questions posted on a travel website, providing no real information, but "helpfully" mentioning a hotel or a business. These are often trolls or fake postings.
But all-in-all, I agree with Mountainlake--TripAdvisor is still useful.
Give me a break! Hotels and many other large hospitality properties have been hit by the economic downturn and are hurting for transient business. Because of their lower occupancy rates and perhaps even reduced rates, they are not staffed in such a way to send all these so called fraudulent/fake reviews we're reading about. That would be a luxury at this time to have staff available to "pad the ballot box!" TripAdvisor.com can be and will continue to be a valuable tool for travelers. Just like any other resource available to us, we need to weigh its value.I'm a very small business owner in the hospitality sector and if I ask my guests to share their B & B experience and they are indeed very pleased with this "value added" experience, they are more than willing, even excited to say "Hey, this is great! More people should try it out." I'm committed to the belief that if I give a 110% my reviews will be positive. Thanks, TripAdvisor.com....when I get a chance to getaway, I look to you for help!
One word. Trust.
If I found out a hotel was trying to game a reputation system what does that say about the hotel or it's staff?
TripAdvisor now needs to figure out how to build a web of trust for members submitting reviews. So far the reviews I've used have been helpful, but it only takes one bad experience to tarnish their reputation with me.
The problem isn't just the hotels and their staff, but their competition and their staff, the PR firms and their staff, etc., etc.
The state of our economy and the dire situation in the hotel industry has rapidly exacerbated the problem.
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From Jaunted (Conde Nast):
http://www.jaunted.com/story/2009/3/16/12635/4598/travel/Royal+Caribbean+Cruises+Has+Web+2.0+Viral+Infection
Royal Caribbean Cruises Has Web 2.0 Viral Infection
No surprise here: Royal Caribbean Cruise Line has a viral infection. For once, however, it's not the Norovirus but that new-fangled byproduct of Web 2.0, the viral marketing infiltration. According to Consumerist, a group of fifty "Royal Champions" was outed by their own creator, the Customer Insight Group, as being a successful project whereby frequent positive cruise commenting on sites such as CruiseCritic was rewarded with free cruises and other perks.
So what's the big deal? Well, it seems that the "Royal Champions" weren't always up front about their status as compensated reviewers, effectively misleading readers of CruiseCritic forums with their positive comments. Add to this the fact that CruiseCritic admins assisted Royal Caribbean in choosing the fifty, with one of the stipulations being quantity of posts, "with many having over 10,000 message board posts on various Royal Caribbean topics." From here, the hole just gets deeper.
Now that many RC fans feel slighted at not having made the ranks and most everyone else is disgusted at the covert trade of cruising for happy juicing, the trustworthiness of such forums is under fire.
Due to CruiseCritic's ownership by TripAdvisor, which is in turn under the Expedia blanket of travel sites, a viral marketing stunt gone awry could possibly continue to negatively ripple. Does news like this affect your ability to trust good reviews on travel sites, or do you already consider yourself an excellent shill-spotter enough to weed out the solicited from the unsolicited? While this whole ordeal is mired in serious muckety-muck, let's hope it serves as a lesson for future viral marketers and as an argument for transparency.
Not to sound ethnocentric, but if the posting is about an overseas hotel and the wording/phrasing reads like it was written by a non-native English speaker, then you might also want to take a second look. This isn't an absolute.
One other clue: rhetorical questions posted on a travel website, providing no real information, but "helpfully" mentioning a hotel or a business. These are often trolls or fake postings.
But all-in-all, I agree with Mountainlake--TripAdvisor is still useful.
TripAdvisor.com can be and will continue to be a valuable tool for travelers. Just like any other resource available to us, we need to weigh its value.I'm a very small business owner in the hospitality sector and if I ask my guests to share their B & B experience and they are indeed very pleased with this "value added" experience, they are more than willing, even excited to say "Hey, this is great! More people should try it out." I'm committed to the belief that if I give a 110% my reviews will be positive. Thanks, TripAdvisor.com....when I get a chance to getaway, I look to you for help!