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Hi, I am planning a road trip with my husband in June (ages 29 & 30). The flights are booked and I have most of our trip planned. Please could you take a look and help with a few questions? Weds 1
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Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/2/2012 9:07 AM EST
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Hi, I am planning a road trip with my husband in June (ages 29 & 30). The flights are booked and I have most of our trip planned. Please could you take a look and help with a few questions?

Weds 13th June
Arrive San Francisco, pick up car. Drive over Golden gate bridge to Muir woods and Mt.Tamalpais, Stay Napa area

Thurs 14th June
Checkout Napa drive to Calistoga. Old Faithful Geyser. Drive to Sacramento. State capitol Sleep Auburn

Fri 15th June 7am start!
Raft the middle fork American river. Then drive to San Jose & sleep

Sat 16th June
Drive San Jose-Monterey. Break at Moss Landing State Beachand the Elkhorn Slough estuary and the sand dunes. Guided kayak tour of Monterey Bay. Fisherman's Wharf. 17 Mile Drive and Pebble Beach or Monterey Bay Aquarium. Sleep Monterey

Sun 17th June
Short hike at Point Lobos State Reserve and view at Rocky Point Restaurant. Then Garrapata State Park. Bixby Bridge. Point Sur lighthouse. Andrew Molera State Park. Lunch at Nepenthe.McWay Falls at Julia Pfeiffer Burns State Park. Hearst Castle - not sure.
Sleep Cambria/Pismo/SLO

Mon 18th June
Morro Bay. San Luis Obispo -farmers market. Pismo Beach & Santa Barbara. Sleep Santa Barbara

Tues 19th June
Drive to Malibu. Santa Monica & Venice Beach. Sleep Santa Monica?
 Weds 20th June
Universal studios & Beverley Hills & Hollywood. Sleep Santa Monica?

Thurs 21st June
Beach day either Long Beach/ Huntington Beach/Newport Beach/Balboa Island/Laguna BeachSleep Santa Monica?

Fri 22nd JuneAnaheim – Disney. Sleep Santa Monica?

Sat 23rd June
Another beach day then LA Dodgers Baseball game. Sleep Santa Monica?

Sun 24th June
Palm Springs  Aerial Tramway or hike palm canyon. Then onto Vegas. Sleep Bellagio

Mon 25th, Tues 26th Vegas
Weds 27th June - fly home

Questions! 

1. On Sunday 17 June do you think we can fit all of the state parks around Big Sur in without being too rushed? I don’t mind loosing a day in LA to have more time here but if so where do you think I should I split it and stay?

2. I have read on your forum that there is fog in June. Should I be planning the sunbathing days at the beach?!

3. We are doing a lot of one night stays here and there, so when we arrive in LA we would like to spend 4 or 5 nights in one spot. I was thinking of Santa Monica but I heard the traffic in LA is bad. Do you think this location is a good spot based on the things we want to do? I know Disney is a bit out of the way but we wont mind driving up to an hour to get there. Our budget for LA hotels is $200 per night and would need parking.

4. Palm Springs - I am wondering if it's worth the trip. In 2010 we went to Vegas, Monument Valley, the Grand Canyon, Yosemite and San Francisco. We felt we could’ve missed Monument Valley and spent extra time in Yosemite. What do you think; based on the state parks we are planning to visit already shall we miss out Palm Springs?

5. My husband doesn't drink wine so unfortunately we wont be doing any of the wine tours during our trip. What else should we do with our time in Calistoga & Sacramento 

Thank you
Sarah

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/10/2012 2:59 PM EST
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Hi, Sarah. I’m the editor of Frommer’s California. Sounds like an ambitious tour of the state—maybe too ambitious! I’m exhausted just reading it! You mentioned most of your trip is already booked, but I would scale back as much as you can and take some time to settle into a few places, relax a bit, and enjoy the pace of this state. Here are a few ideas:

-Cut the detour to Sacramento and Calistoga. This is a lot of driving, and you won’t see anything you can’t enjoy elsewhere on your trip—or even right in Wine Country. I’d budget June 14 as a Wine Country day, even if you’re not drinking. Our Napa & Sonoma Day by Day guide has a great “Wine Country for Nondrinkers” itinerary that I’ll paste below. Once you tour a cheese farm or have lunch on a vineyard you definitely won’t want to get back in the car and drive to Sacramento!

-Don’t forget Point Reyes as a possibility during those first few days.

-Consider budgeting time to explore San Jose if you’re staying there. If you’re not interested in exploring San Jose, I’d skip it. Instead, look for a memorable stay along the coast. Go for a property like Costanoa in Pescadero. I really enjoyed this place—gorgeous vistas, hiking opportunities, and your choice of lodging (main lodge, private cabin, or private “tent” which I tried; it qualifies as “glamping” with a heated bed). Further south closer to Monterey you’ll find the amazing Post Ranch Inn, or a more budget-friendly Treebones Resort.

-Cut the Point Sur Lighthouse from the June 17th itinerary and see it on the 16th while you’re in Monterey?

-June 17, you should pick just one of those parks to explore—go with Point Lobos. Plan on exploring the reserve in the morning before your lunch at Nepenthe (40 minute drive). Give yourself at least an hour at Nepenthe—take in the gorgeous view! You definitely won’t have time to hit both Julia Pfeiffer Burns State Park AND Hearst Castle—plan to set aside at least 3 hours for Hearst Castle. Our author recommends you set aside 2 days to explore Hearst! Note that driving Big Sur takes about 3.5 hours nonstop from Point Lobos to Cambria—add in photo op stops and lunch, and it’s easily 5+.

-June 18: Consider Hearst Castle on this day instead? Along with Morro Bay? Though if you’re not heading to Hearst Castle, I would skip Morro Bay. You’ll have had your share of coastal awe during your Big Sur trip. I would cut Pismo Beach from this day, too, so you have time to explore Santa Barbara.

-Based on your outdoorsy and parks-heavy itinerary, I’d recommend Ganna Walska Lotusland, a gorgeous garden estate just south of Santa Barbara. I stopped there on a recent trip and loved it. Plan 2 hours for a tour.

-After a day in Disney, you won’t want to drive back to Santa Monica. Consider a few nights in Orange County (perhaps Huntington Beach)? Huntington is a beautiful surfing beach, and you’ll be closer to Anaheim. On the other hand, 5 nights in Santa Monica is a nice respite from your travel-heavy itinerary; you might enjoy relaxing there and exploring LA—and you could cut the Orange County and Disney trips altogether.

-Or plan on 3 nights in Santa Monica and 2 nights in Palm Springs (and again, cut Orange County and Disney)? In any case, I’d suggest a relaxing Cali weekend before the Vegas madness begins!

Enjoy your trip, and keep us posted on your plans.

Cheers,

Steve

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/10/2012 3:09 PM EST
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Here is the text from the "Wine Country for Nondrinkers" itinerary I mentioned from our Napa & Sonoma Day by Day guide. Please excuse the rough formatting here; I'm coyping and pasting it directly from my files. Hope this helps.

Wine Country for Nondrinkers
by Avital Binshtock

Want to visit wine country but are put off because you don’t drink alcohol? Come anyway. Though wine initially put this region on the map, the tourism and agriculture industries have kept it there, ensuring that visitors are kept interested both before and after the tasting room. As a result, there’s now a plethora of non-wine-related activities for those who just want to take a relaxing trip to the California countryside to do some nonalcoholic sampling and seeing. Here’s how to get the wine country experience without the wine. Note: For nonalcoholic attractions in addition to these, also see the itineraries for foodies, history buffs, art aficionados, and outdoor enthusiasts. START: Twin Hill Ranch, 1689 Pleasant Hill Rd., Sebastopol. Distance: About 40 miles (64km), doable in a day.

1 * [kids] Twin Hill Ranch. Keep the doctor away with a visit to this Sebastopol operation that’s been growing, packing, and shipping apples since 1942. In its country store (a perfect place to buy a gift for teacher), taste the ranch’s signature apple bread, plus pies, cookies, juice, sauce, butter, and jelly, all made with the potassium-rich fruit grown on this ridiculously fertile land. Tours show you how the ranch produces and distributes 10 apple varieties, including Gravenstein, Gala, and Fuji. 1689 Pleasant Hill Rd., Sebastopol. Tel. 707/823-2815. www.twinhillranch.com. Call ahead for tour appointments and pricing. Mon–Sat 8:30am–4:30pm (open Sun Thanksgiving to Christmas).

Go west on Pleasant Hill Rd., which becomes Bloomfield Rd. Turn right on Lone Pine Rd., then right on Gravenstein Hwy./Hwy. 116. Turn right on Stony Point Rd., then right on Jewett Rd., then left on Pepper Rd.

2 ** Garden Valley Ranch. Did you know that apples are a member of the rose family? Continue the theme at this 9-acre (3.6-hectare) Victorian ranch, which has more than 8,000 rosebushes, a fragrance garden, and a test garden (where rosarians try to develop new species). On spring weekends, the ranch hosts tours ($35; call ahead to make an appointment), during which lunch is served alongside an assortment of teas in the fragrance garden, which overlooks thousands of roses. There’s also a retail nursery where you can buy a variety of flowers, from antique, climbing, and miniature roses to floribundas, hybrid teas, and colorful annuals, as well as gardening supplies, seeds, and books. 498 Pepper Rd., Petaluma. Tel. 707/795-0919. www.gardenvalley.com. Self-guided tours ($5, including a descriptive booklet) Wed–Sun 10am–4pm; nursery open Wed–Sun 10am–5pm. Guided tours ($10, including a descriptive booklet) by appointment and require a minimum of 10 people.

From Pepper Rd., get on Hwy. 101 S. Take Hwy. 116 E, then turn left on Frates Rd., which becomes Adobe Rd., which becomes Hwy. 116 again, then becomes Hwy. 121.

3 ** Cornerstone Festival of Gardens. Nine acres (3.6 hectares) of 20 gardens were designed mostly by prominent landscape architects. These walk-through outdoor spaces are aimed at those interested in high-concept gardening—but they’re enjoyable by all, as are the on-site shops and galleries. The Barn Gallery displays information about each installation and designer, while A New Leaf Gallery (Tel. 707/933-1300) displays and sells beautiful indoor and outdoor modern sculptures by more than 50 artists. Translations (Tel. 707/938-0888) sells outdoor furnishings and Asian-inspired landscape elements, and Artefact Design & Salvage (Tel. 707/933-0660) offers antique garden pieces and found objects. 23570 Hwy. 121, Sonoma. Tel. 707/933-3010. www.cornerstonegardens.com. Free, though docent tours for groups of 10 or more cost $6 per person (reservations required).

4 * Cornerstone Market Café. The seasonal lunch menu at this cute food shop lists pannini sandwiches, soups, and salads; order from that or put together a meal from the artisan foods sold in the grocery section. 23584A Hwy. 121, Sonoma. Tel. 707/935-1681. $.

Take Hwy. 121 northwest, then turn right on Watmaugh Rd. and left on Broadway. Turn right on E. Napa St.

For a more comprehensive sit-down meal, c4B ** the girl and the fig, just off Sonoma Plaza, is highly acclaimed. Cheese sampling at the restaurant’s well-stocked salon de fromage is a great alternative to wine tasting. 110 W. Spain St. Tel. 707/938-3634. $$. See p ###.

5 ** [kids] Sonoma Barracks. Cross 1st Street again to get to this landmark, also part of Sonoma State Historic Park. Vallejo, whose assignment it was to secularize the mission, kept his Mexican troops here to guard against Native American tribes and rebuff possible threats (though none ever developed) from Russian settlers. During and after the revolt, these barracks were the Bear Flag Party’s headquarters. When the U.S. took over, American soldiers moved in for a spell. Since then, it’s been a winery, a law office, and a private residence, among other things. It became state property in 1958, and today there are two museum rooms and a theater in which you can catch the 22-minute video about General Vallejo. History buffs will appreciate the gift-shop merchandise. Tip: If possible, coincide your tour with the every-other-Saturday 2pm firing of the cannon. E. Spain St. & 1st St. E. Tel. 707/939-9420. www.parks.ca.gov. Daily 10am–5pm. $2 admission for adults. Children under 17 free. Admission also includes Mission San Francisco Solano.

6 The Cheese Shop. Try everything from international artisanal cheeses to olive oils, hard-to-find spices, honey and other condiments. 423 Center St. Tel. 707/433-4998. Call for hours.

7 * Sonoma Cheese Factory. If you’re not sick of sampling cheese yet (and, really, who could be?), walk across the plaza to this third-generation family enterprise, which was the first cheese producer west of the Mississippi to win a gold medal from the authoritative Wisconsin Cheese Makers Association. 2 E. Spain St., Sonoma. Tel. 800/535-2855.

From Spain St., turn left on 1st St., then right on Napa St. Make a slight right on Sonoma Hwy./Hwy. 12.

8 ** Oak Hill Farm. Head to this 45-acre (18-hectare) farm and its Red Barn Store. This business has existed since the 1950s and still grows its amazing heirloom vegetables entirely sustainably. The real highlight here is the century-old dairy barn housing the Red Barn Store. More than just an old-fashioned farm stand (though it’s that, too), this is a unique place to buy organic produce, fresh flowers, beautiful wreaths, and handmade gifts amidst the farm’s bountiful fields. 15101 Hwy. 12, Glen Ellen. Tel. 707/996-6643. www.oakhillfarm.net. Apr–Dec Wed–Sun 11am–6pm.

9 B. R. Cohn Winery. Yes, this is a winery, but the estate also specializes in gourmet (and pricey) olive oils and handcrafted vinegars. Taste them in the small tasting room, which is filled with framed platinum albums from vintner Bruce Cohn’s other job as manager of the Doobie Brothers. His property is graced with groves of rare olive trees, terraced hills of plush lawn, and several picnic tables. Many musical events happen here; check the website. 15000 Hwy. 12, Glen Ellen. Tel. 800/330-4064. www.brcohn.com.

10A * Glen Ellen Inn Restaurant. This homey dining room serves seasonally changing cuisine. Reservations recommended. 13670 Arnold Dr., Glen Ellen. Tel. 707/996-6409. $$$. See p ###. Another local option is 10B * Wolf House, a classy-but-relaxed joint with local food and warm service. 13740 Arnold Dr., Glen Ellen. Tel. 707/996-4401. Reservations recommended. $$.

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/10/2012 5:28 PM EST
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Congrats Stephen on your generosity, but you just lost the sale of a guidebook!

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/12/2012 11:40 AM EST
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Congrats Stephen on your generosity, but you just lost the sale of a guidebook!
Posted by phred


Phred, you do realize that our entire Destinations section is populated with all the content from our Complete Guides, right? We haven't lost book sales over that decision. ;)

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/13/2012 5:07 AM EST
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Hi Steve,

Thank you so much for your help. I really appreciate it. Only the flights and the river rafting are booked so I can move things around. I will work with your comments and post the updated itinerary soon!

Kind regards
Sarah

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/13/2012 3:21 PM EST
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Hi, Sarah. I'm glad my notes were helpful. If you're able to cancel the river rafting and get your money back, I'd strongly recommend doing so. You'll appreciate the time you're able to spend in Napa or Marin, rather than in the car to Sacramento! You might kayak Point Reyes that day (www.pointreyesoutdoors.com; then grab oysters from Hog Island, www.hogislandoysters.com, and Tomales Bay, www.tomalesbayoysters.com) or bike Napa instead.

Please keep me posted on your itinerary, and let me know if I can make any further recommendations.

Cheers,
Steve

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/13/2012 5:42 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip! : Phred, you do realize that our entire Destinations section is populated with all the content from our Complete Guides, right? We haven't lost book sales over that decision. ;)
Posted by David Lytle


I knew you posted excerpts but didn't know you put up entire guides.  Interesting choice.

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/14/2012 1:38 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip! : I knew you posted excerpts but didn't know you put up entire guides.  Interesting choice.
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Phred,

Just as an FYI, we've published our entire Complete Guide series online since 2000.

Best,

David

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 2/14/2012 3:58 PM EST
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As I remember the farmers market in SLO is on Thursdays.

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 3/5/2012 8:50 AM EST
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Hi,
I made a couple of changes to our itinerary so hopefully it wont be such a mad rush!

- Weds 13th June Arrive San Francisco, pick up car. Drive over Golden gate bridge to Muir woods and Mt.Tamalpais, Stay Napa or Sonoma area. (would love to do Point Reyes as well but we dont have the time)
- Thurs 14th Wine country day for non drinkers. Then drive to Auburn and sleep
- Fri 15th Raft the middle fork American river. Then drive to San Jose & sleep
- Sat 16th Drive to Monterey. Spend the day at Fisherman's Wharf, Monterey Bay Aquarium and 17 Mile Drive. Sleep Monterey
- Sun 17th Point Lobos State Reserve, Rocky Point Restaurant, Bixby Bridge, Point Sur lighthouse, Eat at Nepenthe and McWay Falls at Julia Pfeiffer Burns State Park. Sleep Treebones sea view yurt
- Mon 18th whatever we missed the day before, then if time Morro Bay or Pismo Beach and San Luis Obispo. Sleep Treebones yurt
- Tues 19th a day in Santa Barbara and sleep Santa Barbara
- Weds 20th - Sun 24th Santa Monica, Universal studios, Beverley Hills & Hollywood. Sleep 4nts Santa Monica
- Sun 24th - Weds 27th Las Vegas

Thanks again for all your help.
Kind regards
Sarah

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 3/10/2012 3:36 PM EST
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I see a possible problem on the 18th.  I looked at the Treebones site and saw there was a two night minimum but I doubt you will want to spend all that time driving back from San Luis Obispo to get back there to sleep on the second night.  That would be a minimum round trip of 3 hrs with no stops on the windy road.  And, then again, a long drive to start your day to SB.

You will probably find that Santa Barbara has a two night minimum too when you go but you may be able to work around that since it isn't a weekend night.

Just so you know, as an earlier poster wrote, the Farmer's Mkt in San Luis Obispo is Thurs nights starting at 6 or 6:30pm.  There are other much smaller ones on other days in various locations but the one you have probably read about is only Thurs nights. (I live in San Luis Obispo)

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 3/14/2012 5:52 PM EDT
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Hi ohno
Thanks for your advice I appreciate it.
We know it's a bit of a drive from treebones but love the idea of staying in the yurt and doing something a bit different. Hopefully the drive will be worth it!
It's a shame we will miss the big market. I did find a website which listed all the farmers markets and the days they run so I will see if another one fits in our trip. I've booked most of it now as its only 3months today whoop whoop!
Sarah

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 3/14/2012 9:09 PM EDT
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Slockie:  Santa Barbara has two farmers mkts that I know of - a really big one Sat mornings and one downtown on Tuesday nights so you can probably hit the one on Tuesday night downtown.   Just realize it is nothing like the big Thursday night SLO mkt.  You will need to check what the time is as I'm not sure and I think it is earlier then the one in SLO.

Yes, I see the allure of staying in the yurts; made me want to also.  You could spend more time in the Monterey/Carmel area before getting to the yurts since you will have all day to do the drive the next day.   One other comment; I don't know how far it is to drive to San Jose after rafting or how tired you will be, but there is nothing of much interest in San Jose unless you have friends there, so if you still had energy I would head toward Monterey if you have the time.  To go from San Jose to Monterey you have three choices - a windy one to the coast on 17 to Santa Cruz and down Highway 1; down 101 to the area near Prunedale and take 156, which turns into highway 1; and to the Monterey cut off near Salinas which is highway 68.  Traffice around San Jose is not fun.

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 3/15/2012 4:26 PM EDT
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Santa Monica has a big farmer's market on Wednesday mornings and Saturday mornings.

Re: Another Pacific Coast Highway Road Trip!

posted at 3/16/2012 6:13 PM EDT
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We're not visiting San Jose other then as a stop off on the way to Monterey. I think after a full days rafting we will be too tired to drive 4hrs and would rather split it but thanks for the traffic advice. We'll have to make an early start for the drive to Monterey.

Thanks for the farmers market advice everyone. We will go to one of the markets.

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