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paweber

Zambia and Victoria Falls

by paweber »

As a courtesy to those readers and posters who may not be familiar with the word dogmatic:

"characterized by or given to the expression of opinions very strongly or positively as if they were facts <a dogmaticcritic>"  (Merriam/Webster dictionary)

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Caroline

RE: Zambia and Victoria Falls

by Caroline »

Is all of this really necessary.  I am always open to other's opinions and as long as we've been on the same forum, I think you know that. I have accepted his opinions in the past.  I have a problem with the manner in which it was presented, the apology has been made and accepted and. yes, it was very dogmatic, IMO.  If you don't agee, I can accept that too.  I think we are now belaboring the point and this thread seems to be becoming a tug-of-war for whatever reason when I had a very good post going and it's validity is being destroyed for reasons beyond me.   I never feel compelled to monitor other people's posts and debate the points as I don't see that as my job. I am simply providing my first hand experience.   If you have further comments please e-mail me. Thanks.

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PHeymont

RE: Zambia and Victoria Falls

by PHeymont »

I may be missing something, but I remain puzzled. Since PAWeber has cited an authoritative source (the U.S. State Department, which in turn cites World Health Organization), as the basis of his recommendation, why is this still being framed in terms of "your buddy?"

Certainly, of course, it makes sense to say something like "in my experience, personnel at the border may not follow the official rules," but there is (I think) no longer a question of what the rules are.

I'm not sure what "dogmatic input" is, but surely it does not mean offering different information, or suggesting that better sources should be consulted.

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paweber

RE: Zambia and Victoria Falls

by paweber »

OK you were there 18 months ago. My buddy was there last month. So it would seem things have changed in the interim. I am not offering an opinion as you called it - I am providing the current on the ground situation and backed it up with information from a reliable source (the US State Department) for readers of this forum. IMHO if one takes the time to write about serious subject matter such as a nation's entry requirements and vaccinations then as a responsible and experienced poster it is incumbent upon us to provide current information, hopefully backed up with sources, and urge readers to check things out for themselves.

You stated that "Everyone knows we are a group of volunteer bloggers...". I respectfully disagree. How would they know that? We get a lot of newbies, lookers and drive-by posters who might look at somebody with dozens or hundreds of posts and just assume that individual knows what they are talking about and/or possibly works for Frommers. We went down that road on a few threads in the previous incarnation of this BB.

Your comment: "The bottom line is that anyone responsible enough to go abroad would surely know to check for themselves."  I wish this were true but the reality is that for many Americans at least, a trip overseas is a once in a lifetime experience and many don't even know what questions to ask or what to check for. Just last week I had to explain to some friends that they needed passports to go to Cancun this summer. They hadn't budgeted for the expense, had no clue it was necessary and had just planned to show up at the airport for their flight.

Opinion is one thing but what triggered my original response is that your opinion was stated as fact relative to a serious subject. I knew things had changed but your post did not make that clear hence I felt compelled to respond and provide current information and a source for this board's readers. I'm not sure I understand the defensiveness and I certainly didn't intend to offend.

That is all.

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Caroline

RE: Zambia and Victoria Falls

by Caroline »

It's only been 18 months since I was there and my travel doctor went on the medical professional website and checked it with the CDC and it was required for re-entry to the US.  Of course, anyone going should check with their own travel medical professional.  I wouldn't take one single instance of information obtained second hand as reliable either. In fact, we were required to show our Yellow Fever card upon entry to South Africa and the US.   The bottom line is that anyone responsible enough to go abroad would surely know to check for themselves.   We had many discussions on this topic on the old forum.  Everyone should check not only vaccination requirements, but everything else for themselves and not take either of our opinions as the final word. Zambia doesn't require it, but other countries may require it for entry or re-entry there. 

Everyone knows that we are a group of volunteer bloggers and that many of us have traveled extensively and for many years.   I am one of those and the information I provide is my own opinion and experiences.  

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paweber

RE: Zambia and Victoria Falls

by paweber »

[QUOTE]If you are going to Victoria Falls or elsewhere in Zambia be aware that a Yellow Fever vaccination is required.   If you should get away with not having it going into Zambia, you will have a problem getting out as the US requires it and will quarantine you if you don't have proof of having had it.   Also, should you try to enter South Africa, you will be turned away without proof too.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps this was true during your trip but when giving information like this it is important to advise readers to check CURRENT conditions and also consult with their own physicians.  According to my own personal information corraborated by a friend who just returned from Victoria Falls as well as the US State Department's travel advisory website for Zambia a Yellow Fever certificate of vaccination was not required upon entry to Zambia. He did not continue to South Africa so there was no risk of denial of entry (which can happen) but he certainly was not quarantined either trying to leave Zambia or upon return to the United States.

[QUOTE]According to the World Health Organization (WHO), Zambia is at “low risk” for yellow fever. The low risk areas are primarily along the border with the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC). To date, there have been no reported cases of yellow fever in Zambia and the WHO does not recommend yellow fever vaccination for Zambia. Furthermore, the Zambian government only requires proof of yellow-fever vaccination if entering from a country where it is endemic, although in one instance, in an apparent scam, U.S. citizen travelers were requested to pay for a vaccination at the border even though they had not been traveling in an endemic zone. However, the South African government may require passengers transiting South Africa on their way to and from Zambia to show proof of having received yellow fever vaccination at least 14 days prior to their arrival in South Africa; those without proof may be turned around at the South African port of entry. (For complete entry/exit requirements for South Africa, please see ourCountry Specific Information for South Africa). See the Medical Facilities and Health Informationsection below for more information on vaccines. The U.S. Department of State is unaware of any HIV/AIDS entry restrictions for visitors to or foreign residents of Zambia. [/QUOTE]

See: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1062.html

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Joanna

RE: Zambia and Victoria Falls

by Joanna »

I think this "blogger" is confused about the purpose of the forums.  Monitoring others' posts is exactly what we do here.  The more accurate the information the better, that's why there's a space here for me to reply, to add information, ask another question and, yes, say so when I see misinformation in the guise of truth.  If one cannot accept that this is the purpose of these forums then there's no place here for them.

We are not blogging here, by the way, we are posting on a forum.  Maybe therein lies the confusion.  I suggest Caroline might prefer having her own blog where none of this pesky interference need come into play.

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Caroline

RE: Zambia and Victoria Falls

by Caroline »

            

 

Year before last we went to several African countries including Victoria Falls, Zambia.  Though we enjoyed our trip to Zambia, you could easily see that it was behind it's adjoining countries of Botswana and South Africa.   I remember how totally annoyed I was when the woman at the border wouldn't accept my Passport from me but in a very arrogant manner told me to 'give it to my husband to give to her'.   Well, don't ask me how, but I was somehow able to actually control myself although it went against everything in me to have to do it.   I realized that she was just testing me and that I needed to get on with our schedule instead of fighting on women's issues just this once.  

When we arrived at our hotel we were impressed that we received an printed invitation to 'High Tea' in the hotel.  That  was fun and  the desserts were wonderful too.  As we arrived at our hotel, there was a group  of young people dressed in their native attire and playing various types of drums in island type music.  

We went to Victoria Falls, but before we went, we knew that it was the low season for the falls but it was still nice and it was obvious that when it is in it's high season there is a lot of water coming off the falls.  The one thing that I didn't really like was that there were a lot of young men who insisted on showing you the falls and regardless of your saying no, they tagged along and kept on and on. 

At our hotel, we were on the second floor with a small balcony.  I walked out on the balcony one morning only to see about 5 or 6 Zebra grazing beneath our balcony.   So, we grabbed our cameras and ran down to take photos thinking they would be running.   They didn't seem to mind at all and hung around the hotel for a couple of hours before they finally continued on their way.  We actually went to the falls and back and they were still there so it was quite a while.  

There was a market place with lots of handmade items, some of which looked pretty good. However, be aware that they were able to work together to take advantage of people.  For example, one guy told me that he'd give me a price break if I bought everything from him and he'd work it out with the others.   Well, we negotiated the price on some pretty marble type bowls and quite a few other things.   When he began wrapping it another couple of guys rushed over to help him.   I watched them as much as I could and I'm sure they wrapped the marble items, but they did something with them and didn't put them in the bag.   So I really got ripped off for several items.   Otherwise it was fun though.    

If you are going to Victoria Falls or elsewhere in Zambia be aware that a Yellow Fever vaccination is required.   If you should get away with not having it going into Zambia, you will have a problem getting out as the US requires it and will quarantine you if you don't have proof of having had it.   Also, should you try to enter South Africa, you will be turned away without proof too.    

 

 

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